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4H/ Youth Purchasing Silkies

Buying Stock for 4H/ Youth

Julianna Varno – Showman of Showman, 1st Bantam Hen – Wayne County Fair 2022

It’s that time of year where I get inquiries for fair birds and youth shows.

Selling to 4Hers and Youth can be a mixed bag. I absolutely LOVE working with kids. They are excited about the birds! They are eager to learn. It’s just a good time. Sometimes the parents are cool. I met one of my dearest friends when she came to buy 4H birds for her daughter. Sometimes, they are a nightmare to work with because they don’t care about the bird, they want to buy a ribbon for their kid and want to use my bird to do it. My daughter did 4H so I completely understand that. However, there are a lot of things to consider when making this purchase and specifically, from a Gray Silkie breeder.

  • I show myself. I rarely sell hatching eggs or chicks because I grow the birds out myself so that I can keep the best for myself. I am halfway to getting my ASBC Master Breeder in Gray. There is no amount of money in the world that you can offer me for my best birds. It’s literally in my will that my Gray lines will be given to a specific person when I die and are not to be sold. I can sell you a good pullet. I can tell you how to improve the bird and sell you an accompanying cock bird in order to do it. I am not selling you a Show Quality Gray hen. I do not even work on making SOP colored Gray males. It’s pointless. They don’t breed true. I would love to have a discussion with whoever wrote the SOP for Gray. That is a post for another time…
  • Gray is one of THE HARDEST varieties to breed in silkies. It is not a variety that you start with, especially when you are young. It’s a very good way to discourage them from continuing with the fancy. You not only have to perfect Type (How a bird is physically built), Color (Shade of Gray), and Pattern (chinchilla, wing striping), you also have to have multiple breeding pens with multiple cocks that are not SOP colored birds in order to make a SOP bird for showing. If your child is serious about working on Gray, you have to have multiple pens, a Gray Silkie mentor, and LOTS of patience. I cull 60% of birds so they will also have to be willing to sell/ cull/ give away a lot birds to work on this variety. That means growing them out (paying for feed for the bird’s first 5-6 months). Having to deal with a lot of roosters. Have a place to get rid of roosters like a livestock auction. And be willing to deal with the general public in order to sell the culls. It’s a lot of work for a little person who probably is in multiple clubs and sports.
  • Judges RARELY pick Gray for Reserve and Best of Breed and above. I had to show for 4 years before I achieved that status. I’ve had 4Hers do it with my Gray Line but she had to work on the line for 3 years before she got to that level. You aren’t going to buy a ribbon from me. You probably arent going to buy a ribbon from any Gray breeder unless everyone else brings hatchery stock to the fair. If you want to win, go find a really nice White or Black silkie. Those varieties win 90% of the time, even in Open class for adults. I will be happy to refer you to those breeders
  • In the event I do have a SQ hen/ pullet I am willing to part with, it will not be cheap. I, myself, am a 4H parent. I have spent 50% of my monthly income on a hog before. I have gone to auctions where the top lamb went for $21,000 and was way out of my range. I went to the breeder at auction close and bought a lamb for $600 and held it on my lap for the 4 hour drive home. High prices are part of the show world. If you can’t afford a $100-$200 bird, then your options are either take what you can get; buy hatching eggs; get a male bird. “It’s not fair! I can’t afford it!” does not pay my $350 monthly electric bill, $200 monthly vaccine bill, $400 monthly feed bill, thousands I have spent traveling to shows to learn more about breeding/ showing silkies. I gave away a lot of really nice birds when I first started out and watched as the kids used them for one year, let them free range in mud and destroyed their feathers, and get eaten by wild life. Life is not fair. Life is not cheap. I didn’t put 8 years of breeding to make a nice show quality bird for you to let it get eaten by a raccoon the week after fair, negating any chance it’ll ever have of reproducing.
  • I am not taking new mentees at this time. It’s my daughter’s last year of high school. I’ve spent the last 5-10 years volunteering on all kinds of committees, unpaid club positions, non-profits etc. I’ve officially resigned from all of them effective Feb 1st, 2023. I want to hang out with my family. I want to have time to spend with my daughter before she goes off to college. I want to have lunch with my mom and drive around with my husband on mini adventures. I will continue with the 4H kids I have now because I love them dearly. I just don’t want to commit to new people that I know I don’t have the time to properly commit to.
  • Please do not buy a Pet Quality bird from me at a swap and then take it to an ABA/APA sanctioned non-fair show, find me in an aisle, and proceed to cuss me out when your kid gets dead last. This has happened on more than one occasion. There is a vast difference between a bird that has no disqualifications and a show quality bird. If I sell you a $40 pullet that has no DQs, it is still a $40 pullet that will not get disqualified. There are kids that travel that with their parents all over the US. They have purchased birds from 40 year old lines where the cock birds are worth $350 and the hens $500. You bought a discount swap bird that is a cull. If you want to be able to tell the difference, please purchase a Standard of Perfection from the ABA or the APA and start going to shows. Looking at birds on the internet is not the same as seeing them in person and talking to the breeders who made them. Yes! It makes a difference if the breeder shows or not. “Breeders” who never leave their farm can only see as far their barn. Period.
  • Please stop asking to walk around my barn and see my stock. When I originally built my breeding pens, I made an areas where customers can come in and look at birds at a table. Fast forward 6 years worth of wide spread Avian Influenza, a Fowl Pox and Marek’s scare (Thank you, Ohio Nationals!), while also dealing with various strains of Cocci, Mycoplasma, and ILT being passed around shows – NO ONE comes in my silkie area anymore. The only people I let in my barn either have my lines so they have my germs, my travel partners, and my NPIP tester. I fully understand you want to see what you are buying. I am happy to bring examples out to the picnic area near the front of my property. Do not go in my barn, I will never sell you another bird and probably kick you off my property.

All of that aside, 4H is an amazing program and I don’t want to deter anyone from trying it out. Please understand all of the above before wanting to purchase from me. This wasn’t my most upbeat of articles. I honestly do love my 4Hers. The photo at the beginning of the article is Julianna Varno. That kid works so hard and I am SO PROUD of her. She started off buying chicks and eggs from me. She drives up to my farm once or twice a year and hauls all of her birds up so we can go through them and look at each one. She studies her Standard of Perfection. I always give her more eggs and cock birds to go home with and she has learned how to breed and improve the lines herself. You can quiz that girl on any terminology and she knows the definitions from the SOP. She makes my heart so full!! She is great example of how 4H allows good kids to develop into great adults. She has worked for every ribbon, every trophy she has ever won. That is the TRUE purpose of 4H. <3

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Equipment Poultry Business Pricing

Cost of Raising Silkies

I often debate about taking my Google business listing down.  From spring to early fall, my driveway has a constant trickle of cars pulling in unannounced wanting to buy silkies.   We live in a small farm town that is on the verge of being swallowed up by the encroaching neighboring suburb of Warren.  Most people here don’t even farm, let alone breed fancy chickens.  While hobby flocks are prevalent here, most are shipped in from hatcheries or bought at TSC.  When people pull in the driveway after googling “silkies near me”, they expect to pay $10/ chick to $40-$65/ hen.  Most scoff at those prices.  Most times, I’ll feel bad and find something to sell them in their price range.  There’s always a pet quality bird around here somewhere.  At least 2-3 times a year, it’ll be a really excited little kid and I’ll sell a hen for 60% off the usual price.  I’m always excited to watch them light up as they hold their new chicken on their lap as they pull back out of the driveway.  The feeling fades fast as I think about how that one hen should have paid for 4 bags of feed and now it won’t even pay for one and half.  Then I go back to thinking I should pull my business off of Google.  If I did that, though, no one would be able to find our farm.  GPS is messed up here.  My address will take you around the corner to our hayfield.  Even with Google maps marking my business as our driveway, I am usually standing in my yard for 30-40 minutes waiting for a customer. Trying to direct them to my house via cell phone as they weave around dirt roads with no signs.  It really is a conundrum.

Today was just another early summer weekend.  Had 2 people stop in the AM looking for chicks (don’t have any) and finally a man stopped with his grandson in late afternoon.  He said that he tried buying silkies in Warren but the guy gave him the run around.  I laughed because there is a law against owning roosters in Warren.  The guy must have been buying them in.  I asked the man if he had seen my website.  He said yes!  Then showed me his phone with my Google business listing.  I tried showing him my actual website so he could see my prices and save me the uncomfortable conversation about show birds and how much they cost to raise.  I don’t think he could see the screen in the sun because when I brought up the pullets and told him $75, both him and his grandson did a double take.   Looked at the truck they were driving.  Knew it took $40/gas with all the driving they did to get here and found them 3 pet quality juveniles for $20/ each and sent them on their way.  Then I went inside and sat on the couch in a state of depression.

This year just sucks.  AI has shut down a lot of the normal shows I go to.  It has shut down the swaps I usually sell birds at.  Since taking over as Points Secretary for the ASBC, I have little to no time to get my birds presentable for sale pics and listed, let alone actually get them to the post office on my lunch at work and shipped out the door.  Entire states are shut down for importing. And even if the swaps and shows were open, it wouldn’t matter. With gas over $4/gallon, hauling trailers across state lines is too expensive. Feed is now $4 more per 50lns bag. Raising chickens is now a true labor of love. It is presently entirely funded by 9-5 job. In the last year, I have cut down my numbers to the bare minimum. I dropped entire varieties out of my barn. I ceased hatching all winter and now only do small batches in my tabletop Brinsea. There is constantly an average of 45 silkies at my farm ranging in ages from 1 week to 12 years old. Most are under 3 years old. Mrs Frosty was my first silkie and she is the 12 yr old. She totally pulls the average age up, so it’s not even accurate to calculate. What I did calculate though, was how much each silkie female should be priced at if she were sold at 6 months old and would cover the cost of raising her. The number I came up with is TWICE the cost of what I’m currently selling them for. See the chart below.

Cost of raising a 6 mos Silkie Pullet

In light of this, I no longer feel bad about what I charge. This doesn’t even cover the cost of all the clubs I belong to, all the entry fees, all the travel expenses of showing. If you want to learn how to breed, shows are the way to do it. You’ll never learn just by looking at pictures on the internet. You get what you pay for. If you’re looking for a pet, you should probably stick to TSC. If you feel you are entitled to someone’s work, you are not. If you think you can get into silkies to make tons of money, Good luck 😆. This really is a labor of love.

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Gray Silkie

Too light Gray Hen

Gray Silkie Hen in conditioning cage

I really love the way this girl looks. Her cushion should be higher and she should really be darker. Judges tend to hate light Gray birds. Their crest should match their cushion. She has a beautiful crest though and nice balance structurally. I am hoping her feet feathers stay intact on the non rubberized wire. I pulled them out in January and they grew back in by March for her first show. The tips had broken off during the winter.

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Healthcare

Deflating Air sacs

This is a quick TikTok on deflating an inflated air sac on a Polish Hen. I was giving her a bath for the Tri-State show when I noticed it. This will happen to birds if they get bacteria in their lungs. Use an 18 gauge syringe tip to deflate the air and treat with oral antibiotics. DO NOT USE A SEWING NEEDLE as it is not hollow. This is a tip my poultry vet showed me when I first encountered it years ago. Up until that point I had no idea chickens could sell up like a balloon lol

You can view this directly on TikTok

Technique to deflate air sac.
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Poultry Feed

Chicken Feed Calculator

A copy of this calculator can be found here.

I came up with this calculator to formulate feed when corn prices started going up. Some of the ingredients get pricey to try and find. I found that a lot of them can be purchased in bulk from feed mills. The chickens love it when they have fresh ingredients in their feed. I have found it increases egg production. My silkies and polish never go outside so good feed is important for both their diet and their emotional well being. Please download and use this calculator as a copy and do not edit the original. Below is a screenshot with show feed pre-loaded. The link above allows you to download it as an excel spreadsheet.

Example of show feed